Post by Richard on Jan 22, 2016 17:00:26 GMT
"It's easy to fly like an eagle when you live among the turkeys."
This Thread is for any ideas you have about how to tell people who are new to the flat earth news. Below, I'll start it off but feel free to add your ideas – as there is plenty more to add.
As you know, introducing people for the first time to the fact that the earth is flat and stationary is hard for many to get their heads around it. If you don't do it right, they will be turned off and the next time the flat earth is introduced to them – even by someone else – they will walk out of the room or shut you up without you giving the chance to explain.
I recently had a member of this forum tell me about their husband poo poo the idea of a flat earth after she told him.
Nature of Water
One thing that I'd like to do is to tell people that water seeks its own level and explain some simple things, such as pouring water on a table, over rocks or any rough surface. Everyone should understand this, then explain how does water can stay on a ball earth, rotating 1,000mph, and going around the sun a 67,000mph?
Showing the Maths
Another method is by showing the maths that heliocentric believers tell us. Using THEIR figures of 8 inches times the distanced squared, then taking two known objects and how far they are from each other and that you can still see them – then do the maths. Then say, 'It should be impossible to see this object as it would be x feet under the horizon!'
The key is, you have to STICK to the subject, don't let them go off and say, 'But what about bla, bla, bla.' In other words, you can't discuss B unless you solve A.
What I have found is that using the 'water seeks its own level' or using the maths of the model of the supposed globe, makes people think. In short, people should be hit the hardest first. Even if it leaves doubt in their mind. If you can leave them with doubt – a little bit here and a little there – this is the start of them abandoning the false belief of a globe earth. With enough doubt, they should start questioning other things they have been told.
Speed of the Earth
Using the enormous speed that earth is suppose to be going is another good point. Tell them that 'astronomers tell us' that the earth is rotating at 1,000mph, going around the sun at 67,000mph, our solar system going around our galaxy at 500,000mph, and our galaxy is travelling away from the supposedly 'Big Bang' at an incredible 670 million miles per hour! That we are travelling at the speed of light, yet nothing is blow away, nothing disintegrated and, in fact, the atmosphere is still in tack. Ask them how this is possible. Rhetorically ask, is their a shield protecting us? Where is this shield? How can this 'shield' stand incredible speeds of even 67,000mph (much less the speed of light)? Stick with this, let them answer IF they can before you move on.
Telescope and Horizon
You can use the telescope and horizon as a demonstration of a flat earth. Ideally, it would be good if you were both on the beach watching a ship or on some flat plane and watching a car, for example, go beyond the horizon. If you are at a location with a telescope, led them into a trap (ha, ha, ha) and say, 'Is that car going over the horizon?' And they will probably answer yes. Then focus the telescope on it and watch it come back in view. Ask them, 'Since when can a telescope see through the earth?' Wait for an answer, don't let them move on or give some stupid answer or say it's not important. Stick to it; if they have doubt, great. The doubt will be on their old belief.
I have used this method successfully without a telescope and being on location, as people can understand this, relate to it without actually be in the state of Kansas, USA, for example.
The Video Method
The simplest method to introduce new people to the flat earth is to show a good YouTube video. If they are willing to spend one hour, give them a link to a good flat earth video. There are a number of them right on this forum. Send them an email with a link. If you are with them, show them on the computer and let the video do the rest.
The advantage of a good video is, that the 'expert' is doing all the talking. This is good if you don't know much about the flat earth yourself. Also, with a video they can't interrupt the speaker.
The above topics are what I usually use to make people really think.
This Thread is for any ideas you have about how to tell people who are new to the flat earth news. Below, I'll start it off but feel free to add your ideas – as there is plenty more to add.
As you know, introducing people for the first time to the fact that the earth is flat and stationary is hard for many to get their heads around it. If you don't do it right, they will be turned off and the next time the flat earth is introduced to them – even by someone else – they will walk out of the room or shut you up without you giving the chance to explain.
I recently had a member of this forum tell me about their husband poo poo the idea of a flat earth after she told him.
Nature of Water
One thing that I'd like to do is to tell people that water seeks its own level and explain some simple things, such as pouring water on a table, over rocks or any rough surface. Everyone should understand this, then explain how does water can stay on a ball earth, rotating 1,000mph, and going around the sun a 67,000mph?
Showing the Maths
Another method is by showing the maths that heliocentric believers tell us. Using THEIR figures of 8 inches times the distanced squared, then taking two known objects and how far they are from each other and that you can still see them – then do the maths. Then say, 'It should be impossible to see this object as it would be x feet under the horizon!'
The key is, you have to STICK to the subject, don't let them go off and say, 'But what about bla, bla, bla.' In other words, you can't discuss B unless you solve A.
What I have found is that using the 'water seeks its own level' or using the maths of the model of the supposed globe, makes people think. In short, people should be hit the hardest first. Even if it leaves doubt in their mind. If you can leave them with doubt – a little bit here and a little there – this is the start of them abandoning the false belief of a globe earth. With enough doubt, they should start questioning other things they have been told.
Speed of the Earth
Using the enormous speed that earth is suppose to be going is another good point. Tell them that 'astronomers tell us' that the earth is rotating at 1,000mph, going around the sun at 67,000mph, our solar system going around our galaxy at 500,000mph, and our galaxy is travelling away from the supposedly 'Big Bang' at an incredible 670 million miles per hour! That we are travelling at the speed of light, yet nothing is blow away, nothing disintegrated and, in fact, the atmosphere is still in tack. Ask them how this is possible. Rhetorically ask, is their a shield protecting us? Where is this shield? How can this 'shield' stand incredible speeds of even 67,000mph (much less the speed of light)? Stick with this, let them answer IF they can before you move on.
Telescope and Horizon
You can use the telescope and horizon as a demonstration of a flat earth. Ideally, it would be good if you were both on the beach watching a ship or on some flat plane and watching a car, for example, go beyond the horizon. If you are at a location with a telescope, led them into a trap (ha, ha, ha) and say, 'Is that car going over the horizon?' And they will probably answer yes. Then focus the telescope on it and watch it come back in view. Ask them, 'Since when can a telescope see through the earth?' Wait for an answer, don't let them move on or give some stupid answer or say it's not important. Stick to it; if they have doubt, great. The doubt will be on their old belief.
I have used this method successfully without a telescope and being on location, as people can understand this, relate to it without actually be in the state of Kansas, USA, for example.
The Video Method
The simplest method to introduce new people to the flat earth is to show a good YouTube video. If they are willing to spend one hour, give them a link to a good flat earth video. There are a number of them right on this forum. Send them an email with a link. If you are with them, show them on the computer and let the video do the rest.
The advantage of a good video is, that the 'expert' is doing all the talking. This is good if you don't know much about the flat earth yourself. Also, with a video they can't interrupt the speaker.
The above topics are what I usually use to make people really think.